Remove 2012 Holiday Content

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Originally Posted by PonyRoar

All of the holiday items will be removed from the Market, not just the Winter ones. Definitely make the most of it while you can. We have to clear out old items to make room for the new ones in the coming year.

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Why is it SO difficult to tell us WHICH recipes YOU consider "holiday" or not?? Why is that so hard to do? Why can nobody answer the TONS of questions about that? People are panicked and confused because nobody knows WHICH ones you will remove! People have widely different opinions as to what is "holiday" or not. Plus some recipes that could be considered "holiday" have been in the game since the beginning or just for a very long time, so nobody knows WHICH will be removed, it's very, very UNCLEAR and confusing!! Especially with only a few days notice! WHY is that such a difficult question? PLEASE just help us with the recipes!!

It would be SO much easier, clearer, much more player-friendly AND much, much more professional if you made a recipe list. OR even better, since thousands of players don't come on to the forums, tell us IN the recipe books, put a little STAR or CHECK-MARK or something on each recipe that will be removed, that is considered holiday TO YOU, BUT give us 30 DAYS NOTICE from when those marks show up! Kind of like your little "New" bubble on items, just put a little mark on each recipe that will be removed. And give us more than a few days time to master them. Many players only have a handful of appliances, how can they master long recipes in a couple days? Especially since you gave us new goals at the SAME TIME?!?! How can ppl do both the goals AND master holiday recipes?? Not possible!!

Deco type items are MUCH easier to determine... recipes are NOT, because not all the recipes you remove appear to be holiday related. So please just tell us WHICH ones you plan to remove, and give us PROPER time to master them. It's great that you want to add new stuff and we even understand the need to 'make room'... but I doubt you are adding THAT much new stuff next week... so give us a little more time AND a proper list of recipes! Go ahead and remove the deco stuff on the 7th, most people get that... but give us more time on recipes PLEASE and help people know WHICH to cook!!

Thanks for your post, jessenv1313! You saved me a lot of typing, because I wanted to say the exact same thing :)
It's just ridiculous that TeamLava can't answer any of the questions in any of the games and give us a list.

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Originally Posted by PonyRoar

All of the holiday items will be removed from the Market, not just the Winter ones. Definitely make the most of it while you can. We have to clear out old items to make room for the new ones in the coming year.

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What about recipes? frantically trying to guess which might possibly be considered to be holiday so I can master them. Much confusion and conflicting opinions.

Thanks,
KadeeDid

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Originally Posted by KadeeDid

What about recipes? frantically trying to guess which might possibly be considered to be holiday so I can master them. Much confusion and conflicting opinions.

Thanks,
KadeeDid

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The question I asked was basically what counts as seasonal and what counts as holiday recipes. The pop-up says holiday but with staff members throwing around the words seasonal and holiday we're all confused. I'm sorry PR but you didn't answer my question at all :(

What jessenvee1313 said x100. I would like to know which recipes the devs consider "Holiday" because there are quite a few recipes like Valentine Cookies and Gingerbread Cookies that have been around a long time and seem to be treated as a "regular" recipe. If Instant Pudding and Holiday Waffles are Holiday recipes going away then how about PB Chocolate Cake, Brawny Muffins and Cherry Muffins? Considering in Farm Story that Rhubarb was surprisingly "holiday", I can only guess what the devs consider "Holiday". I'd like the devs to clarify which recipes are limited so as a player I know what I want to prioritize doing in game within a limited time frame.

What content from world games is going?? Ive been asking but got no answer.

With the weekend upon us... I doubt we will get any answers. I'm working on what I think is holiday and if something like seashell cupcakes or PB Chocolate Cake is pulled before I'm done well then I learned a lesson. When a new recipe come out on a regular appliance.... Hurry up and master it. I can always cook on new appliances that I purchase any time.

I think jessenv1313 suggestion is pretty good. Why not to mark the "temporary" recipes (holiday/seasonal whatever is the name) with a flag? or with a nice icon that shows they are temporary, maybe a little clock or so... :)
Or the opposite, if it's easier, mark the permanent ones and leave the seasonal blank so we know what to do. Dear TL, a little icon can save a lot of "panicking" in your customers!!!

Interesting, i had force close my BS and RS, restarted my device, and never receive a popup about the holiday items removal.
So, if i never access the forum, i will not get the removal notice??? And let things just disappear suddenly?
I play almost all story games, and seriously, i did not have time to master all receipes and catalogues, well, whatever!!! I will just forget it...

New designs coming out are getting pretty ugly as compared to what you offered for last year. The thanksgiving stuff, Pilgrim counters are downright ugly. Dont know who you have designing these new items now but they are not nearly as nice or cute as the Gingerbread and Peppermint tables and Gingerbread Box Items from last Christmas. You should definitely keep these two collections around forever. The only new tables and chairs I like from this year collection is Snowglobe.

And not everyone has playing since the Olympics, last Valentines etc. I'm guessing Chinese New Year is getting s****ped... has it even happened yet in 2013??? Is cider or sparkling cider considered holiday? Which appliances are being taken away?

This stuff seriously makes me resent the "Story" games. I can understand cycling seasonal decorations, but you are deleting a LOAD of stuff BUT CAN'T TELL US EXACTLY WHICH THINGS? SHADY SHADY SHADY.

Agreed about some really ugly stuff. Fashion story came out with the same plain A-line skirt in navy and brown, ugly neon stuff, fur (ugh) boots like lady gagas meat boots. I thought the snow globe stuff with square tops were awful.

Or the Red reindeer tables in Fashion Story that display everything sideways. Freakishly large or small items that seem really out of place scale-wise.

If you can put how many days are left to buy decorations... why not on the other stuff you're taking away from us.

This is guessing game. Absolute garbage.

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Originally Posted by chocolaBB

Interesting, i had force close my BS and RS, restarted my device, and never receive a popup about the holiday items removal.
So, if i never access the forum, i will not get the removal notice??? And let things just disappear suddenly?
I play almost all story games, and seriously, i did not have time to master all receipes and catalogues, well, whatever!!! I will just forget it...

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I never got the notice either. It was actually from one of my neighbors that I first heard of this. He was asking me what this was about, and me being so very confused, I came here.

Apparently, the notice appears only in the original BS which would explain why I never got it then. (I've been playing the Xmas version....) -__-

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Originally Posted by jessenv1313

Many players only have a handful of appliances, how can they master long recipes in a couple days? Especially since you gave us new goals at the SAME TIME?!?! How can ppl do both the goals AND master holiday recipes?? Not possible!!

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Not only that but this notification is coming to us at the end of a days-long baking competition of a ridiculously old recipe most of us probably mastered already. Those who participated had their normal baking practices interrupted to focus on that and I bet many of them might be wishing they'd been able to focus on holiday recipes, whatever they are. I don't think we will get any clarification by the 7th.

I only got the notification on fashion and not on my other story games. Definitely not enough time for us to master the holiday recipe/catalog. And you can see so many players are upset because of this.

Please TL, give us more time to master them!

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Originally Posted by srblue

Anyone else need help building holiday ovens that will be gone? Add me please srblue and srblue12 I'm an active player, gift daily, and accept all parts requests. I play Bakery and Restaurant on both IDs :) we can help each other! :)

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Thanks! I'm aliera99 same here.. I gift daily and accept all parts requests too. Bakery, Restaurant. I could use some help putting together ovens, and would gladly help others do the same.

I think it is fair to take out the holiday decos. But the receipes and catalogues i think most people would like some more time to work on them. Especially in my bakery, i am always flooded with food, i still have 2011 halloween food on counter. I dont know how come the selling rate is so slow in my bakery...

I hope Team Lava can understand that it's not them taking stuff that has upset most of us, it's not being given adequate warning. Or for many... no warning at all!

The only fair thing to do would be to give us a list of removals & an extension.. or at least spread them out over a few weeks. Like Thursday will remove Valentines week 1, St Pattys, week 2, Easter week 3, etc. Or do 2 holiday/event removals per week.

People are upset, but that was the goal.

Why... because upset, uninformed, panic-stricken players make poor decisions. Maybe some players will be upset enough to spend gems to speed up cooking times so they don't lose access to recipes. Fear is a selling tactic.

Everyone just relax :). It's okay, there will be new recipes and new opportunities to earn gems. Don't fall into selling tricks.

I totally agree with what Device2 said. TeamLava could certainly tell us *if they wanted to* The fact that they're not is just another blatant disregard for their customers. Everytime they do something like this, it just reinforces for me the decision that I will NEVER buy a single gem from their company!

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Originally Posted by device2

People are upset, but that was the goal.

Why... because upset, uninformed, panic-stricken players make poor decisions. Maybe some players will be upset enough to spend gems to speed up cooking times so they don't lose access to recipes. Fear is a selling tactic.

Everyone just relax :). It's okay, there will be new recipes and new opportunities to earn gems. Don't fall into selling tricks.

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I don't think that makes sense... Because most of us are complaining because we want to master ther recipes to get the gems..... So how would speeding up recipes help us? Spend alot of gems to get 1 or 2 gems back? Doesn't add up

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Originally Posted by sweetstuff525

I don't think that makes sense... Because most of us are complaining because we want to master ther recipes to get the gems..... So how would speeding up recipes help us? Spend alot of gems to get 1 or 2 gems back? Doesn't add up

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Your right, because your using common sense. But a lot of people don't. They are the ones who will use gems. You probably have most of the dishes mastered. There are a lot of new players who dont and may lose dishes, again... these are the players who MAY use gems. The new (uninformed) players are a gold mine.

This also changes the way players see the game. Now people will mindlessly cook any new dish that is released, to get the gems. They will give no thought to whether the dish is profitable and will cause them to slow down at earning coins.

All in all, causing your players to be upset and keeping them uninformed isn't very nice.

if you master a recipe you get to keep it so panicking and spending gems could make sense if there is a recipe you really want to keep.

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Originally Posted by thatgirl444

if you master a recipe you get to keep it so panicking and spending gems could make sense if there is a recipe you really want to keep.

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You can keep the recipes that you have served in your counters... But even if mastered the recipe won't stay in your cookbook for you too keep cooking

Same thing happened in rs... Some Halloween recipes were removed and I already mastered them .. But yeah they don't stay in your cookbook

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Originally Posted by sweetstuff525

You can keep the recipes that you have served in your counters... But even if mastered the recipe won't stay in your cookbook for you too keep cooking

Same thing happened in rs... Some Halloween recipes were removed and I already mastered them .. But yeah they don't stay in your cookbook

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Are you sure? I thought if we have "holiday" dishes mastered we get to keep them, but if we dont then we lose them forever. But I might be wrong since there is such a lack of information.

There is an official post from TL staff but I can't find it (another way to keep us in the dark). No one really seems to know what is going on.

The biggest problem is no one knows which dishes we are losing. So, if you don't have your favorite dishes mastered and your afraid you might lose it forever and you only have a day and a half to master it... what are SOME people going to do?

Now do you see what I was saying.... Panic combined with "fear-of-loss" = people with more money than common sense will buy gems. I used to work in sales, it's a trick to get people to spend money.

Based on past holiday removals:

Holiday dishes mastered or unmastered on regular appliances will be removed. These appliances were released prior to 2012.

Any holiday dishes on special appliances (e.g., Santa Oven, Turkey Oven, Coffin Drink Machine) will remain whether mastered or not.

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Originally Posted by thatgirl444

if you master a recipe you get to keep it so panicking and spending gems could make sense if there is a recipe you really want to keep.

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That was what I believed, until spider brownie (on regular oven) which I had mastered was quietly removed. So mastering a recipe doesn't 100% keep it in your cookbook.

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Originally Posted by nmishii

Based on past holiday removals:

Holiday dishes mastered or unmastered on regular appliances will be removed. These appliances were released prior to 2012.

Any holiday dishes on special appliances (e.g., Santa Oven, Turkey Oven, Coffin Drink Machine) will remain whether mastered or not.

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Yeah minish I explained it better than me...

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Originally Posted by nmishii

Based on past holiday removals:

Holiday dishes mastered or unmastered on regular appliances will be removed. These appliances were released prior to 2012.

Any holiday dishes on special appliances (e.g., Santa Oven, Turkey Oven, Coffin Drink Machine) will remain whether mastered or not.

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I think they are doing it differently this time. See post #5 in this thread .... https://forums.teamlava.com/showthrea...n-cake-holiday

The quote from Frozen Turtle makes it sound like if you have it mastered you can continue to cook it, if not... It's gone.

At least that's how I read it. What do you think? Does anyone know where this was quoted from? I can't find the original quote from FT.

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Originally Posted by device2

I think they are doing it differently this time. See post #5 in this thread .... https://forums.teamlava.com/showthrea...n-cake-holiday

The quote from Frozen Turtle makes it sound like if you have it mastered you can continue to cook it, if not... It's gone.

At least that's how I read it. What do you think? Does anyone know where this was quoted from? I can't find the original quote from FT.

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Wow maybe your right ... Just read it and it does say that

Ps I also took a screen shot of it for proof lol

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Originally Posted by sweetstuff525

Wow maybe your right ... Just read it and it does say that

Ps I also took a screen shot of it for proof lol

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Yeah, it's not very nice of them. In fact, it seems like they are trying to provide as little information as possible on purpose.

Sorry, I should have provided the link sooner so everything made more sense :)

Frozen Turtle does say the mastered recipes on the regular appliances will remain. That's kind of surprising. I believe there's some extra programming they would have to do to keep the recipe for some and not others, but if that's what they said, then they should keep their word.

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Originally Posted by device2

Yeah, it's not very nice of them. In fact, it seems like they are trying to provide as little information as possible on purpose.

Sorry, I should have provided the link sooner so everything made more sense :)

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Yes, I think they are providing as little info on purpose. And also giving as little notice as possible. This way you'll rush and try to do everything in case it might go away.

Even thought holiday items will be removed, don't go all crazy! I know from past experience after you buy holiday appliances you can access the recipes in them at any time, so purchase them as you get the parts as gifts, and focus on the goals and regular holiday recipes from the Gerry first holiday update I knew they were going to be removed, so thinking that way from the start, now I only have 1 holiday recipe on the regular oven to perfect. And I don't think the most recent snow ice stuff and those goals are part of the holiday content, so set those goals aside till after the Christmas goals if you haven't yet completed them.

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Originally Posted by nmishii

Yes, I think they are providing as little info on purpose. And also giving as little notice as possible. This way you'll rush and try to do everything in case it might go away.

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Unless your a really new player you know there going to remove it from the start! So from the start play knowing its going to be removed but don't go all crazy and rush all around, that's what I did and I'm not worried at all! I have all the holiday goals done, and only have 1 recipe to perfect!

is gingerbread chair, table, wallpaper will be removed ?

how about coffin counter, bat chair, bat table ?

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Originally Posted by vanilla_vodka

is gingerbread chair, table, wallpaper will be removed ?

how about coffin counter, bat chair, bat table ?

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Probably, as they're holiday-related decor

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Originally Posted by catgirl477

Unless your a really new player you know there going to remove it from the start! So from the start play knowing its going to be removed but don't go all crazy and rush all around, that's what I did and I'm not worried at all! I have all the holiday goals done, and only have 1 recipe to perfect!

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I played a long time ago on a diff device (I quit over some issues that have since been fixed), so even though I seem fairly "new" starting over on a diff device, I knew it "might" happen that recipes might disappear, so when a recipe was released on a regular appliance, I did my best to master them if I thought they might be considered holiday/seasonal & I finished quite a few. BUT without a list, I'm unsure whether I got them all or not, I could easily have missed some. But since I don't know which are which, I haven't bothered to even attempt any of them, I've just been cooking what I want, working on the new goals mostly & trying to cook higher coin earning items... there's no point in rushing & cooking things that may or may not disappear, I won't be rushed or panicked. But sadly, many people are panicked. And even more don't even have a clue what's coming, they don't even know anything is going away, because many people are still playing the Xmas versions, and TL couldn't be bothered to put the pop ups in those versions. What a surprise!

That's another thing that really irks me in timing... the cooking contest that just ended AND the brand new goals in both RS & BS. How can people attempt to master holiday recipes AND complete goals, especially with RS cooking looooong 2 day recipes for goals, and BS had 50 recipes one goal, and now 40 of the brand new recipe... there's NO way to cook those AND holiday recipes. Very, very poor timing TL!! You could have done better on the timing no matter what, and you COULD provide a list of what is being removed. I'm beginning to think you actually LIKE angering your players... a little masochistic maybe? You like torturing players with problems, confusion, issues, traps, etc! That's a sad, sad way to run a gaming company!

I hope you guys are wrong. I have too many receipes mastered because I knew that January 7th was going to happen...eventually. Now, you telling me they going to stay if they are mastered.

Why couldn't they bring back Tombstone Brownie? I wanted to master that receipe in BS.

they do everything backwards....they should remove mastered recipes and leave us the ones we need to finish. It's no rocket science, but of course everything is done with as little sense as possible